My personal beliefs regarding Creation may be unique. The reasons are all good as they take into account the troubles of mankind; the suffering; the tribulations; the bloodshed; the abuse and all that is bad. Those who have suffered much will be rewarded much. Those who have caused suffering will be judged much as they are changed. Love will conquer all.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Quote from Cofty:
'Nature red in tooth and claw' proves that there is no benevolent creator.
Creationism isn't a leap of faith, it's a drunken tumble down Mount Dumbass.
That may be your temporary belief for this moment; but it will change in time.
Quote from Cofty:
I have learned more in the past 20 years than I did in the previous 30. That is why I reject creationism. The men and women who know most about the complexity of the natural world are the strongest advocates for evolution. These are the thousands of scientists - many of them christians - who know more about life than you or I ever will.
Your rejection of Creationism is but temporary. As you continue to study and learn the Truth will eventually make itself known. The Natural World itself is profound "proof" of the goodness and beauty of Creation when viewed objectively and without bias. Sadly, most who claim to be Christian are victims of Cult Indoctrination which renders them temporarily incapable of seeking Truth. But, once again, all of this confusion is temporary. In the end Truth will prevail.
Quote from Cofty:
There is a very important difference between you and I Old Navy. I thoroughly understand both creationism and evolution. You have never learned even the most basic information about evolution. You are wilfully ignorant of the evidence. For that reason you have nothing to say about it.
I believe your self-assessment of your level of comprehension will change dramatically in the not too distant future. How is anyone able to "thoroughly understand both Creationism and Evolution?" Do you mean that you thoroughly understand the theoretical dogma to your satisfaction as it is presented by those who claim to be expert? I choose to say nothing about the theoretical dogma since re-hashing its details is counter-productive. There really is little Truth there.
Quote from Cofty:
Why are you still refusing to acknowledge that the vast majority of intelligent christians accept the fact of evolution. You never engage in conversation, you just keep repeating the same old platitudes. When are you going to pay anybody the respect of actually engaging with the subject?
What I acknowledge is that all are able to freely choose what they want to believe. I have no desire to attempt to alter anyone's beliefs or to promote either side of the debate. Rather, I reveal what my beliefs are and in a general sense how I came to hold them. It is also my belief that Truth is forthcoming and that comprehension of the mysteries will occur. We just haven't gotten there yet.
Never. While I respect your freedom to believe as you wish I have no desire to "engage" in discussion of the theoretical subject. It is not yet time.
It is an unfortunate truth that "Christians" are easily deceived. The Christian Movement is loaded with Cults Aplenty. Tickled Ears and Washed Minds is the name of the game. For the time being.
Patience.
Questions from Coded Logic:
Do you think people should have good reasons for believing the things they believe? And do you think people have an obligation to use reliable methods of getting information to inform their beliefs?
Our System of Information Overload is so full of "noise" that most people are quite confused. Ideally, we should develop the means to discern Truth from falsehood. We are far removed from that ideal. People do have a natural inclination to embrace Truth and to seek Truth but there are many obstacles put in place by those who delight in use of the lie. Our obligation should be to be Truthful at all times.
Questions from Coded Logic:
For example, if I scattered chicken bones across the floor and then declared - this tells me Thor will soon return - would you think I was justified in such a belief? And would it be enough to convince you of my claim?
If the belief satisfies you then you are free to take hold of it. I would not agree with your hypothetical but if you believe that it is just then that is up to you personally. No, it would not be enough.
Patience.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Quotes from Coded Logic:
I don't see any reason to think what you just said is true.
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There's nothing humble about creationism - because claiming to know things you can't possibly know is the complete opposite of humility - it's the height of arrogance.
I do not expect anyone to think what I have said is true. Discovering Truth is a personal venture that will be achieved in a personal way. You will discover unexpected Truths for so long as you continue seeking them by whatever means you employ.
What is humbling is the realization that one has been wrong. To finally realize that one has been arrogantly propagating and defending theoretical doctrine which is not true. Finally realizing that there are limits to what we can "know" until we are shown our un-knowables by Those for Whom All Things are Possible.
To finally develop Faith in a Benevolent Creator.
We shall all get there whether we wish to or not. What I say will really play no part at all in how you will ultimately "change your mind." You will change by your own volition. As you learn more.
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What do I do ?
by jdash inhey guys, this is my first time posting on here but lets get started.. so i'm a 17 year old boy who currently attends meetings at a congregation in indianapolis.
i live with my grandparents, on my father's side, because my mother died in 2010. i been attending meetings since i was 10. my mother got into the religion but then got disfellowshiped.
my dad is on and off, he currently just got reinstated.
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My suggestion is heavily biased. I served in the Navy for 21 years but that length of time is not a necessity to accruing benefits that will be very helpful to you at age 21 or 22.
Should you opt to join one of the military services for a four year enlistment your "place to live" will be taken care of. Qualifying for technical schooling in electronics or computers or numerous other fields will enable you to acquire excellent training to prepare you for steady employment following your enlistment when you "return to the World."
As a military member you'll receive a decent salary and will be entitled to 30 days leave (vacation) each year.
As you put on stripes you'll earn more and will be placed into positions of greater responsibility and leadership.
After your four years you'll come out with education and experience; you'll probably have traveled to exotic areas of the U.S., Europe or Asia.
You'll be ready to take on anything as you proceed with your life. You'll also have the G.I. Bill which will enable college education without great financial expense.
My escape route from the witnesses was the Navy. I had to wait until I was 18 1/2 yrs. of age since I wasn't able to get my Father's permission to enlist. I have never regretted that life changing experience.
You might also decide to make the military a career. Military retirement is very good.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Questions from Coded Logic:
How do you know this?
How do you know this? Is there actually a good reason for thinking this is the case? Or is this just a mere assertion?
Until one has reached the point in their studies where it becomes painfully obvious that there can be no other answer, one will defend their beliefs with passion.
Hitting that dratted wall is humiliating and humbling. You will know it when you too smack into it.
That is where the light turns on. Where all doubt is vaporized.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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It must be stated that Evolutionists pursue these mysteries because they too want to know about our Creators. Of course they will deny their true motivation; insisting that there is no Creator. There is no need for a Creator or Creators.
Until they hit the wall.
That is where Evolutionists become Creationists.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Question from Coded Logic:
How do you know it's a possibility? We can't solve one mystery with another mystery Old Navy. And we can't explain one unknown by postulating the existence of another unknown.
We simply cannot explain things which we do not yet comprehend. There are certain aspects of the incredibly complex phenomenon of Life which we may never be able to comprehend by reliance upon the Scientific Method since it has limitations.
Once those "secrets" which we are unable to discover on our own are explained to us by our Creators, then we will know.
Evolution itself has many mysteries which defy explanation or comprehension. Evolution presumes that all life traces back to a "Common Ancestor."
There is no question that Man is intelligent and is able to reason and is very curious about many things in The Creation. But, our intelligence is very limited; our reasoning is very limited; our ability to research difficult questions is very limited.
Our Creators, on the other hand, have unlimited intelligence and ability. For them all things are possible. When one hits the Evolution Wall one realizes that therein lies the answer to the many unanswerable questions. We are not yet ready to comprehend. We have no way to handle that kind of Truth. But, one day we shall.
We were made to wonder about these things. To seek answers.
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My younger brother officially Disassociated today
by pale.emperor inhi guys.
just wanted to share this with you as it's kind of got me worried.
my brother who was also raised in "the truth™" met me in town today for a coffee.
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Since at the Judicial Interrogation anything that is said will be used against the "accused" perhaps the only reasonable course is to exercise one's Right to Remain Silent. Has there ever been a case of the "accused" of being "read their rights" before the interrogation actually begins?
Your Brother is a cool guy PE. I believe he'll make the transition and adjustment with great success.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Question from Coded Logic:
How do you know creation is a possible explanation?
When it is the only possibility that remains. That is what The Wall will tell you.
You'll know it when you get there.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Quote from Coded Logic:
When asked how creation explains thought:
It is a mystery which we have yet to comprehend.
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There are certain aspects of Creation (or Evolution if you prefer) which will remain incomprehensible to us until revealed at the proper time. The questions we have regarding Thought, Consciousness and Sentience cannot be answered by anyone yet. The mystery is very complex,
That is why "The Wall" is able to change minds.
Only our Creators know.